This is a converstation I had with kap. kap: go to www.validatethis.com kap: tell me if you dont go blind SixPackOfJesus: that is an ugly ass layout. SixPackOfJesus: AND she's wrong about the war. SixPackOfJesus: the war it to MAKE MONEY. kap: i dont care that its ugly, but it is kap: its just fucking blinding SixPackOfJesus: that's the first and biggest reason that america (or most any nation) does anything. kap: while youre right SixPackOfJesus: it really is. how about some neon pink in there? could she work that in? kap: they wouldnt have been stomped out if they hadnt attacked us first kap: and that is not a money issue kap: its a massive death issue SixPackOfJesus: oh, i'm not saying we shouldn't be doing anything, but people need to not pretend it's because it's "the right thing" it's to boost the economy. SixPackOfJesus: it's to give MASSIVE tax breaks to rich white texans. SixPackOfJesus: it's to unify the nation against a common enemy so that we're easier to control. kap: heh kap: youve got too much conspiracy theory going kap: if we werent in a recession, we would still be attacking kap: so we happen to be in one, the govt makes out there kap: i dont like the rich white texans either SixPackOfJesus: i think the attack would be handled differently. kap: i dont kap: no way to really know SixPackOfJesus: see, he's bombed us three other times, and we went "darn you osama! stop that!" SixPackOfJesus: PLUS, we know where he is. kap: the shit he did before was really nothing compared to this kap: heh SixPackOfJesus: he hasn't been out of our sight in 8 years. kap: we dont know where he is kap: country sure SixPackOfJesus: these are the words of a national defence worker my mom's fiancee talked to. kap: my afghan coworkers grew up there, im sure they could put anything that person said to shame kap: at this point though kap: who cares SixPackOfJesus: i dunno, i mean, we're gonna get fucked with, do we have to be lied to? kap: heh kap: we've ALWAYS been lied to kap: thats a redundant question SixPackOfJesus: just be honest, we're gonna kill people on all sides to make money and promote nationalism. kap: of course we are kap: we would no matter our previous situation SixPackOfJesus: oh, i agreee. kap: you make money when you go to war, period kap: doesnt mean it was the only reason or the only motivating factor kap: i don't believe our government does much in the best interest of ALL it's citizens SixPackOfJesus: i'm not saying it's the only factor, i'm saying that it's the primary factor. kap: but it doesn't mean its out to fuck us all the time kap: i disagree SixPackOfJesus: i don't think the government sees it's citizens as much more than a resource, constituants to sway, workers to pay taxes, potential armed forces to die. we're there to work and pay and run the machine. SixPackOfJesus: and they'd be absurd not to see it that way, cause that's how it IS. kap: may it be that way, i dont wont and cant believe money to be the motivating factor to retaliation kap: heh, im not a bleeding heart and im not patriotic, but, eh, thats what i think SixPackOfJesus: i guess my problem is that it doesn't add up. i mean, ok, i hate the taliban, and i hate osama, but what osama's men do isn't the same as what the taliban does. so we demand him, and they say no, so we attack, i can deal with all that. so why are we using jungle clearing bombs that have to be dropped from cargo planes with parachutes on to slow them down? we're clearing mine feilds. we're planning to occupy the country. that has nothing to do with osama, that has to do with controlling more land in the middle east (see: Israel) so that we have bases of operation from which to protect our oil. kap: we aren't going to occupy the country SixPackOfJesus: not us. the "UN" kap: and no matter what we do, in 10 years, afghanistan will once again hate the USA nayway kap: i dont think the UN will either kap: theyre going to attempt self rule and fail miserably like everyone else we "help" kap: i may not think we're in this for the money kap: but i think we're doomed regardless SixPackOfJesus: we've already said that we're against self rule, and are pushing for a UN controlled government kap: heh kap: the un won't do it kap: im sure SixPackOfJesus: well, whether or not it will happen, it's what we'd LIKE to see. kap: we meaning the government SixPackOfJesus: i also read a story about a guy who got a relief package through the roof of his hut, nearly killing his son. the pop tarts and peanut butter aren't doing him much good during the fasting of ramadan, and the repairs will cost around 5x as much as the food. SixPackOfJesus: yeah, meaning the US kap: heh kap repairs to his hut kap: as for the food not doing much good during ramadan SixPackOfJesus: yup. his mud thatch roof. why are we using giant million dollar bombs again? kap: oh no, you hide the food until the sun goes down kap: just like you do with the rest of the food kap: what, do they sit and stare at it? SixPackOfJesus: true, they can eat after sun down. SixPackOfJesus: still, it's a waste kap: as for the bombs, theyre being used to knock down the buildings in kabal, to take out the trees to fuck their environment, and to poison parts of their land kap: it isnt a waste kap: as for almost killing his son SixPackOfJesus: it's terrorist farming. kap: im not trying to be a dick here SixPackOfJesus: lets piss off a whole new generation. kap: but something is always going to backfire kap: did he really get poptarts? SixPackOfJesus: yup kap: nice. kap: i wish they would drop poptarts through my roof kap: save me from going grocery shopping kap: and as for terrorist farming kap: thats why i said we're fucked in ten years no matter what kap: person x doesnt like the US helping out country Y SixPackOfJesus: i guess a big part of my problem is that i'm so NOT patriotic, that i don't care any less about an afghani dying than i do about an american. kap: and we're fucked again kap: youve seen it in the past with, oh, say, osama bin laden. kap: im not patriotic either SixPackOfJesus: poptarts are hella good though. i agree on that. kap: i dont carry a fuckign flag around kap: nor do i have one on my car kap: i get sick of poptarts, but theyre better than going hungry SixPackOfJesus: we have seven american flags. SixPackOfJesus: they're rolled up in a bundle next to the bed, i use them to turn out the light. kap: heh kap: i probably have more reason to not like the government than you do SixPackOfJesus: like? kap: the us patent office fucking sucks, UCITA fucking sucks kap: their telco laws fuckign suck kap: they allow mroe wiretapping than ever before kap: i cant remember the name of that bill kap: oh, it was the Lets Fuck The Rights Of Americans bill kap: now im getting angry all over again kap: ive already been angry twice today kap: im not talking about this any more SixPackOfJesus: it's good for you. kap: no kap: it makes me want to break things SixPackOfJesus: it's better than being placid. Then things got personal, and then we talked about comics.